2012年4月16日 星期一

S.A Reserve Bank Admits Underweight Krugerrands Were Produced in 2011

2011 krugerrands(南非富格林金幣) 過輕唔好買, 銀行賣出的可以回收 !

www.silverdoctors.com

The Reserve Bank of South Africa has admitted that it produced underweight gold Krugerrands in April and May of 2011.
Perhaps they should have used a little tungsten rather than simply minting the coins underweight.

We’d like to know our readers’ thoughts on this:
Is this occurrence merely a production glitch, an intentional attempt by the South African Reserve Bank to skim some extra gold off each coin, or combined with the recent salted tungsten gold report, are the banksters attempting to condition the sheople that physical precious metals cannot be trusted?

Johannesburg – Some Krugerrands have been found to be underweight with too little gold used in their manufacture, the Sunday Times reported in its first edition on Saturday evening.

The newspaper said the SA Mint Company, a subsidiary of the Reserve Bank, had admitted that it made underweight proof or collector Krugerrands.

In a statement on Friday the Reserve Bank confirmed that the coins in question were produced in April and May 2011.

A Krugerrand sells for about R14 000 and is the world’s most popular gold coin and one of South Africa’s most famed collector’s items. According to the Sunday Times, coin dealers were called to the SA Mint Company last year and told about the problematic coins. Apparently they had to sign a confidentiality agreement that forbade them from talking about what they knew.

The Reserve Bank had told dealers that suspect coins would be exchanged by the SA Mint Company.

64 則留言:

isvzaen 提到...

Lisa 有無留意到瑞士PAMP隻銀條?

Lisa 提到...

回 isvzaen,
有乜問題 ?

Yan 提到...

LPM 絕對可信性高
因佢既富格林特平
一早收到風?

Lisa 提到...

回Yan,
我見到 LPM 賣 1983年的, 不過好似恆生會平 D :)

Lisa 提到...

LPM 1盎司金楓葉平過中銀幾十蚊, 但金熊貓就貴過中銀 !

Lisa 提到...

LPM 1992 笑翠鳥 客戶購入價格: $290.42 HKD, 不過唔知質素如何 ?

kidthief 提到...

admitted that it made underweight proof or collector Krugerrands

Are regular krug consider as collector coins?

Lisa 提到...

回kidthief,
krugerrands are investment coins and not for collector !
想 collect 都買澳洲鴻運或金熊貓啦 !

Yan 提到...

LIsa

HSB has no listed price for Krugerrands?

Usually how much lower than ANA/EAG?

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The underweight problem occurs in proof or collector Krugerrands. I don't know there is any proof version available. Hopefully the bullion version sold in HK is not affected.

Lisa 提到...

回 Yan,
7月7日2010年
恒生賣1盎司富格林 9310蚊, 而中銀賣1盎司金楓葉 9645蚊 !
中銀1盎司金楓葉個時平恒生1盎司鴻運報價約 150蚊 !
所以(9645+150)-9310=485蚊
依家差幾多, 就要問過先知, 不過恒生唔係成日有貨的 !

Chic Wong 提到...

真好記性@@

Lisa 提到...

回Chic Wong,
我有收據的嘛 XDD !

Chic Wong 提到...

你都係影低收據再同幣相分類擺埋一推file度嗎?真有手尾同系統,所以成日一搵就搵到,我都要學習下,親而家得少少幣易做起。
但我已忘記買幣當時銀價了,只有收據買價

Lisa 提到...

回Chic Wong,
買完幣返家, 影張相留電腦內, 再用excel 記錄買價 !
收據就放在一個 file 度, 一想查就可以搵到圖和價格啦 !
而D幣就入盒和包好放銀行保管箱, 不須多理啦 XD !

Master NLP 提到...

LPM現在有狼幣賣, now $467.86
Charlie終於返左貨.

Chic Wong 提到...

係呀我都岩岩睇到想報料,你快一步!
佢地真平!

Yan 提到...

仲有全線龍幣
半安 -- 10Kg !!!
乜都有!

Yan 提到...

168大大掃咗旺角一大批富格林!

Yan 提到...

富格林足唔足1oz純金呢

Lisa 提到...

回Yan,
上星期已見到 :)

Lisa 提到...

LPM 依家幾積整, 不過來遲一步, 唔係旺旺 D 狼幣賣唔出 XD !

Chic Wong 提到...

kitco越爭越多條街,lpm真係幾大期望,連獅都搶埋了,加多的平靚正幣指日可待!XD

Lisa 提到...

回 Yan,

https://online.kitco.com.hk/gold/index.html
南非富格林金币
纯度 916
重量 1盎司 33.933 克
直径 32.6 毫米
厚度 2.75 毫米

猛虎勇士 提到...

LPM冇晒原封膠袋風葉 >_<
又遲一步,仲念住今week找日上走買添,
今年D龍款多到......銀價再跌下,可能風葉了 ^_^ 好近spot price!

爾凡 提到...

我昨天已問, LPM 回复:
「 The sealed silver maples are currently on order from the Candian Mint, will be in stock in mid May. We will update this facebook page once they are ready for pre sale. 」

Yan 提到...

Thanks Lisa.
南非富格林金币
纯度 916
重量 1盎司 33.933 克

gold content 31.1 gram = 1 troy once.

Lisa 提到...

回Yan,
因為富格林唔係9999, 所以重過31.1克, 而多出來的是其他金屬如銅 !
所以富格林顏色是偏向啡色 !

Chic Wong 提到...

lpm連一安兔都有得買了@@
好緊要!$399!!

Lisa 提到...

回Chic Wong,
終是 Gainesville 有賣的, 佢都有, 所以唔曬自己去美國訂啦 XDD !

Samuel 提到...

LPM 確實很 aggressive,是大家的福氣。

我個人看法,如果LPM不是G記的分號,就一定是和G記達成某些貨源共享,所以他們拿貨的價格不是G記的售價,才能做到現在的售價。我以前注意過,G記的小麒麟和熊貓應該是LPM提供的。而進貨价LPM的鬼佬告訴過我一個範圍,利潤很高。

isvzaen 提到...

他們肯定是分號,我試過G記買野有問題,係LPM換貨。

Chic Wong 提到...

下,甘都得?
不過就算係又會有咩問題?

係咪可以期待佢會引進g有既貨?甘都係好事丫

isvzaen 提到...

G都唔係好多嘢!

Chic Wong 提到...

總好過多過而家~

Lisa 提到...

Gainesville 平過apmex, 所以好多貨都俾人掃曬啦, 無乜野值得買啦依家 !

freya 提到...

LISA姐 你好:)
我係新手 想買1OZ楓葉銀幣作長線投資

其實係咪應該搵間最平既唻買好呢? 而唔太需要理會將來要去番個間鋪頭到賣?
睇左好多'投資金銀手冊'既POST 亦睇左LPM,KITCO,中銀係網上既價格。
發現LPM係最平,跟住係KITCO,最貴係中銀。

見到好多人都話去KITCO買,咁LPM信唔信得過? 係咪都係可以去佢既OFFICE買?

thank you!

Lisa 提到...

回freya,
你可以去LPM買, 因為咁大間公司都唔敢賣假幣啦, 我估 XD !
我地成日說 Kitco, 因為之前得 Kitco 一間有多外國幣賣 !

Chic Wong 提到...

不過呢兩日lpm好似無左膠封楓葉賣,無套中銀唔收喎~

Lisa 提到...

回Chic Wong,
賣俾中銀唔見得可以賣到高價, 而長線投資有套無套都無分別, 何況有套的楓葉是貴少少 !

Chic Wong 提到...

回lisa, 甘想問下,你無套楓葉點收藏?照入38mm盒放保險箱定就甘一個個直接擺入去算?

Lisa 提到...

回Chic Wong,
舊幣一筒用玻璃袋包實放保管箱 !
2012 新幣買得 6枚, 入38mm盒, 再用玻璃袋包實放保管箱 !

Chic Wong 提到...

回lisa, 謝謝,明白哂,要買一筒先可一筒擺,哈哈。我果五隻都係有套版!我應該都用唔到筒既方法,哈哈哈

Lisa 提到...

回Chic Wong,
你唔放保管箱, 可以搵個有蓋罐裝起佢地, 可以防濕 !

Lisa 提到...

原來用 grandma 的防濕方法好有用, 就係鐵罐, 不過就防唔到賊 !

Lisa 提到...

LPM 擺明同旺旺搶生意 XDDD !
http://www.facebook.com/lpmhk

LPM will soon be getting both the silver and gold Britannias in stock. Look out for updates of arrival time on this facebook page!

Chic Wong 提到...

所以賣幣真係唔夠佢玩,但買家就好多謝佢

Lisa 提到...

回Chic Wong,
大家的意向都唔係想賺錢, 因為依家賣幣賺得幾多 ?
大家在呢個介段都想儲多 D 唔同的幣姐 :)

Toki 提到...

@ Chic,
唔,諗深一層,買家要多謝嘅真係佢(LPM)?

唔係先有Lisa及Joe等眾網友無私分享金銀知識,及後旺旺佢哋create market awareness, 引進大家喜愛的幣款,市場大餅未必有而家造得咁快咁大。買家若能欣賞吓小賣家們嘅心血同努力,等佢地有生存空間,先至真正會有可能用較平嘅價錢,購入更多嘅選擇。

唔個別多謝 Lisa, Joe, 以及旺旺,Ivan等小賣家們,最多話多謝競爭。否則 LPM點解要賣平D。

用士多辦館少咗嘅今日印證,剩下幾大超市在市場坐大後,價錢唔見得特別平咗比顧客。

Chic Wong 提到...

回Toki,

我無諗得甘徹底,你講得岩!其實話唔定佢都係睇住我地呢班人既動向黎入貨,所以野野頂住。

其實現時為止我幫旺旺ivan是但買得重多過係佢度買,希望各有生存空間,大家又有平貨啦!

再次多謝lisa和各位達人、賣家!

Lisa 提到...

回大家,
有須求才會有市場 !
Kitco 和 LPM 呢D 大公司也為我地帶來平幣, 唔係大家還買緊好旺角店仔和華興的貴價幣 !
LPM 當然睇住我地的願望來入貨, 是好事來的也是好精明, 好過 Kitco 少 D 彈性 !
好彩旺旺和Ivan 只是用玩的性質而唔係真的開公司賣幣 !
而將來如果大家想換幣賣幣都可以用旺旺和 Ivan 的平台 :)

嘉芙蓮 提到...

原來用 grandma 的防濕方法好有用, 就係鐵罐, 不過就防唔到賊 !
______________________

隔咗一排先講,我畀人偷咗d金。

Lisa 提到...

回嘉芙蓮,
唔係呀嘛 ?
無放保管箱 ?

Toki 提到...

係嘅,不論買家、賣家,不論大小,其實愈多參予者愈好。大家才會有更多選擇及交易渠道。

Samuel 提到...

@Toki,

我想LPM倒並非打價格戰,而是他們入貨的成本低,貨運的成本又低,貨運的速度又快。幾方面的優勢加起來,必然有無可比擬的優勢。他們可能看住club來做,把club當作收集消費端信息的一個途徑,就好像之前在facebook白銀戰隊作推廣一樣。回到club成立的初衷,就是打破地域和規模限制幫香港的金銀甲蟲收集銀幣,如果能推動本地幣商向這個方向努力,就是我們的成功。因爲我自己首先是一個買家,然後才是半個賣家。

接下去club怎麽做,我們還要仔細討論。就算用訂金之類鎖住客戶,最終讓客戶買貴了絕對是違反我們的初衷的;但如果我們收了訂單后LPM跟手開低价,有些售價甚至低過我們的成本,club是難以繼續生存的。兩者之間求平衡,還請大家多提建議。

猛虎勇士 提到...

Kitco和LPM 現在做的都係大路投資性或介乎於投資收藏之間既幣種,一些罕有或少見特別精緻的都未有,呢個都係一個方向,喜歡呢類幣既人就會唔介意俾多少少利潤你地幫手找呢類幣.所以我早排俾意見話常試在網頁多講介紹各類投資收藏性幣種歷史和圖案背後既故事幣廠資料等等(外國呢方面資料好普遍專業),慢慢把投資幣者引領入收藏幣門檻,好多人本身下意識就有一種收集物種的壞習慣,通常年青人和老年人為多.
能教使他們把一定比例投資幣金錢投放於收藏幣上,都可能係好事,一些收藏幣長遠都有升值投資的價值.

Lisa 提到...

唔怪得突然好多舊版笑翠鳥賣啦, 原來是PM 重鑄 !
所以有 D 用圓盒裝的是新貨 !
謝 kidthief 資料 !
http://gandsbull.blogspot.com/

猛虎勇士 提到...

重鑄..........
咁mintage..... >_<
如果以前D限量收藏幣又話重鑄....咁投資者o米大大獲.

Lisa 提到...

回猛虎勇士,
笑翠鳥本來限定一年出300,000枚(2011年起改為500,000枚), 但有D舊幣當時無乜人買, 去唔到 300,000枚, 所以依家要追返 !
希望佢唔好追返第一期生肖幣, 唔係肯定會影響價格 !
唔怪得有D幣是用方盒, 而有D幣是用圓盒啦 !

rl 提到...

琴日都買咗兩隻1992,質量唔錯!

rl 提到...

見到Lpm個display櫃到有狼幣起晒milk spot。高純度銀真係會易啲氧化!

Master NLP 提到...

@Lisa,我前日都同Toki講,D幣跟膠盒咁新淨,一D都唔似20年前的出品.我當時話會唔會好似D舊唱片咁重新發行XDD,叫佢唔好買咁多笑翠鳥元祖!
原來真係重鑄,比我up中!

rl 提到...

由1991-2007都到唔到target,會唔會陸續追返?

Lisa 提到...

回nlpsonia,
上次在 apmex 團購中買的1991和1992笑翠鳥都是新貨, 因為全裝在圓盒的 ! 唔怪得勁多貨 !

Lisa 提到...

回rl,
沒知, 我暫時只見到 1991和1992多咗好多貨 !